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Lesser Wounds 6 years 7 months ago #3957

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Hello every­body,

here’s a quick ques­tion about wounds: Is there any in-​game effect of lesser wounds — wounds that, after reduc­ing Pain by TY, don’t affect the PC in com­bat? I couldn’t find any­thing in the book. If not, why bother writ­ing down the wounds at all or bother with heal­ing throws? Can you just ignore them?

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Lesser Wounds 6 years 7 months ago #3958

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The key is ‘in com­bat’. They still need to be healed and stack enough you could still argue for skill and attribute penal­ties. So once the adren­a­line stop pump­ing you are going to feel saw. I am fairly sure TY does not come of heal­ing pain, so even the smaller wounds have to be healed.
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Lesser Wounds 6 years 6 months ago #3959

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Allan wrote:
The key is ‘in com­bat’. They still need to be healed and stack enough you could still argue for skill and attribute penal­ties. So once the adren­a­line stop pump­ing you are going to feel saw. I am fairly sure TY does not come of heal­ing pain, so even the smaller wounds have to be healed.
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Skill and attribute penal­ties only come from Pain that exceeds TY. Lesser wounds have no game effect, if I’m not mis­taken. Even after the fight they can be ignored, ’cause it doesn’t mat­ter when or if they are healed. I’m not sure, if that’s some­thing that needs to be houseruled.
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Lesser Wounds 6 years 6 months ago #3960

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AFAIK wounds that are ignored by TY still come in play when you get attacked in the same area, so they are still impor­tant to note it down. That is, when you are attacked in a wounded area, you suf­fer the high­est shock value, new or old (pg. 141).

So, as per my inter­pre­ta­tion: You have an old wound level II in the Thigh (pain 4 shock 2) that is ignored by your TY 6. In any case, lets say you get hit in the thigh again but you soaked with armor and brawn down to no dam­age, yet, since you were struck in a wounded area, you suf­fer 2 shock still, equal to your old wound.

I’m not sure if wounds re-​open when they are stricken again — which would reset heal­ing, but I guess its up to the ref.

Neg­li­gi­ble wounds that bear no shock value are, well, negligible.
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Lesser Wounds 6 years 6 months ago #3961

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Anarak’s right, but there is also some­thing else to con­sider about wounds. To quote myself exten­sively from this thread here:

Michael wrote:
When adren­a­lin is pump­ing and and we need to grit our teeth because our sur­vival depends on it — that’s what Pain and TY do a rea­son­ably decent job of sim­u­lat­ing. But once we are rel­a­tively at rest we really start to feel that pain we didn’t have time to feel before.

But the thing is — when we are at ease, when we are not under stress, when there’s lit­tle at stake we don’t even roll the dice in Blade, because we are after all sim­u­lat­ing adven­ture fic­tion and not real life. So a per­son with minor and mid­dling ail­ments all “soaked up” by TY would still be in con­sid­er­able pain — but he would be able to ignore the pain when it mat­ters.

And that’s what TY soak­ing up all Pain means. Being able to, when it mat­ters, grit your teeth com­pletely against the pain and per­form­ing well in spite of it. It does not mean feel­ing no pain, it does not mean not being in pain. A player who por­trays such a char­ac­ter as if there was no pain at all would be very mis­taken, and the ref­eree should advise him that even big bad bas­tards when wounded go easy on them­selves when they can.

So the in-​game effect of lesser wounds is mainly a nar­ra­tive one, not so much a mechan­i­cal one. Even though Anarak is right about the mechan­i­cal effects of not com­pletely healed wounds, even minor ones, being re-​attacked. The inten­tion is, in my words above, to get even big bas­tards to go easy on them­selves when they can — but to allow them to func­tion prop­erly when they need to and are not yet com­pletely mangled.
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Lesser Wounds 6 years 6 months ago #3962

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Michael wrote:
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Yep, that too. Its one thing climb­ing a moun­tain while shot at by can­ni­bals and another hav­ing a tore on your belly but with clenched teeth you still climb nonethe­less. Since scene fram­ing is impor­tant in Blade (and dareisay in most if not all games), wounds are a good met­ric to decide if your next scene is worth or not fram­ing, or if you are overex­tend­ing a bor­ing scene.

Still on the nar­ra­tive, It’s cool to know just how MANY scars your char­ac­ters end up as their careers advance. All level 3+ wounds I add to a “scar list” just for flavour.
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Lesser Wounds 6 years 6 months ago #3964

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Anarak wrote:
AFAIK wounds that are ignored by TY still come in play when you get attacked in the same area, so they are still impor­tant to note it down. That is, when you are attacked in a wounded area, you suf­fer the high­est shock value, new or old (pg. 141).

Ah, this rule I for­got. This is indeed a mechan­i­cal effect, if only a minor one. Thanks for point­ing it out.
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Lesser Wounds 6 years 6 months ago #3965

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Michael wrote:
So the in-​game effect of lesser wounds is mainly a nar­ra­tive one, not so much a mechan­i­cal one.

So here is the core of my ques­tion: Why writ­ing down and make heal­ing rolls for wounds that have no mechan­i­cal effect? Anarak men­tioned a minor effect, ok. But I guess, I tell the play­ers just to note that they have a wound at a spe­cific loca­tion, adjust a time for heal­ing and advice them that their heros should take it a bit eas­ier for a time.
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Lesser Wounds 6 years 6 months ago #3968

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Aghori wrote:
Why writ­ing down and make heal­ing rolls for wounds that have no mechan­i­cal effect?

They do have a mechanic effect when you are rewounded in the same loca­tion before being fully healed.

This is of course minor, so I’d say you are entir­ley jus­ti­fied to waive all heal­ing rolls for lesser wounds when there passes suf­fi­cient down­time and only roll for major wounds. But when the action is ongo­ing, with­out down­time, also minor wounds need to be kept track of — not so much for the fluff of being wounded, as this could be done with­out mechan­ics by com­mon sense only, but for the con­tin­gency of being re-​wounded.
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Lesser Wounds 6 years 2 months ago #3998

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Do we only count the high­est BL value afflict­ing an area for the pur­poses of both the BN check AND later Heal­ing?

I was under the impres­sion that only the high­est BL level for a gen­eral area was con­tested for the BN check, but later Heal­ing checks were needed for the BL of ALL the wounds to the same Area/​Zone (not accu­mu­lated, just rolled against sep­a­rately).

Which is correct?
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